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January 16, 2009

So, a professor with access to a common Greek Psalter is offered a chance to show whether or not Joseph Smith was a fraud. He gladly takes the opportunity, presents the Psalter as a document of unknown origins to Joseph Smith. Far from easily deflecting this attempt to expose him, Joseph falls for it hook, line, and sinker.

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January 16, 2009

So, a professor with access to a common Greek Psalter is offered a chance to show whether or not Joseph Smith was a fraud. He gladly takes the opportunity, presents the Psalter as a document of unknown origins to Joseph Smith.   Far from easily deflecting this attempt to expose him, Joseph falls for it hook, line, and sinker.

Here’s the post from “Anon Brit” at RfM:

I do like this story. It really does have the ring of truth about it. The proximate source is the great Uncle Dale at

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/sign1843.htm

But you can see the original book at:

http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1840s/1842Cas1.htm

By the way, a psalter is just a copy of the Book of Psalms in the Bible.

I relish this bit in the original book – dontcha love the Prophet’s elegant grammar? And his sheer brass neck??

” I handed the book to the prophet, and begged him to explain its contents. He asked me if I had any idea of its meaning. I replied, that I believed it to be a Greek Psalter; but that I should like to hear his opinion. “No he said; “it ain’t Greek at all, except, perhaps, a few words. What ain’t Greek, is Egyptian; and what ain’t Egyptian, is Greek. This book is very valuable. It is a dictionary of Egyptian Hieroglyphics.” Pointing to the capital letters at the commencement of each verse, he said: Them figures is Egyptian hieroglyphics; and them which follows, is the interpretation of the hieroglyphics, written in the reformed Egyptian. Them characters is like the letters that was engraved on the golden plates.” “

Warsaw Message Vol. I.
Warsaw, Illinois, November 15, 1843. No. 45.

THE MORMON PROPHET AND
THE GREEK PSALTER.

We lately heard a story, which while it may make us mourn over the depravity of Human Nature, serves to show, among many similar facts, the low artifices and cunning tricks, to which the Mormon Prophet will resort, in order to impose upon the gullibility of his followers. The story is in this wise; and can be substantiated by respectable witnesses.

Some time since, Professor Caswell, late of Kemper College, near St. Louis, an Episcopal Clergyman of reputation, being about to leave this country for England, paid a visit to Smith and the Saints, in order that he might be better able to represent the imposture to the British people. It so happened that the Professor had in his possession a Greek Psalter, of great age — one that had been in the family for several hundred years. This book, as a relic of antiquity, was a curiosity to any one — but to some of the Saints, who happened to see it, it was a marvel and wonder. Supposing its origin to have been as ancient, at least, as the Prophet’s Egyptian Mummy, and not knowing but the Professor had dug it from the bowels of the same sacred hill in Western New York whence sprung the holy Book of Mormon, they importuned him to allow ‘brother Joseph’ an opportunity of translating it!

The Professor reluctantly assented to the proposal; and accompanied by a number of the anxious brethren, repaired to the residence of the Prophet. The remarkable book was handed him. Joe took it — examined its old and worn leaves — and turned over its musty pages. Expectation was now upon tip-toe. The brethren looked at one another — at the book — then at the Prophet. It was a most interesting scene!

Presently the spirit of prophecy began to arise within him; and he opened his mouth and spoke. That wonderful power, which enables him to see as far through a mill-stone as could Moses or Elijah of old, had already in the twinkling of an eye, made those rough and uncouth characters as plain to him as the nose on the face of the Professor. ‘This Book,’ said he, ‘I pronounce to be a Dictionary of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics!’

The brethren present were greatly astonished at this exhibition of their Prophet’s power of revealing hidden things. After their exaltation had somewhat subsided, the Professor coolly told them that their Prophet was a base impostor! — and that the book before them was but a plain Greek Psalter! — Joe ’stepped out.’

Such is the manner in which this arrant knave imposes upon his followers! and such is the manner in which his knavery is sometimes exposed! Yet, strange that people continue to believe him!

Professor Caswell, since his sojourn in England, has published a work entitled ‘Three Days at Nauvoo,’ in which this rich scene is represented in an engraving.

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January 16, 2009

So, a professor with access to a common Greek Psalter is offered a chance to show whether or not Joseph Smith was a fraud. He gladly takes the opportunity, presents the Psalter as a document of unknown origins to Joseph Smith.   Far from easily deflecting this attempt to expose him, Joseph falls for it hook, line, and sinker.

Here’s the post from “Anon Brit” at RfM:

I do like this story. It really does have the ring of truth about it. The proximate source is the great Uncle Dale at

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/sign1843.htm

But you can see the original book at:

http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1840s/1842Cas1.htm

By the way, a psalter is just a copy of the Book of Psalms in the Bible.

I relish this bit in the original book – dontcha love the Prophet’s elegant grammar? And his sheer brass neck??

” I handed the book to the prophet, and begged him to explain its contents. He asked me if I had any idea of its meaning. I replied, that I believed it to be a Greek Psalter; but that I should like to hear his opinion. “No he said; “it ain’t Greek at all, except, perhaps, a few words. What ain’t Greek, is Egyptian; and what ain’t Egyptian, is Greek. This book is very valuable. It is a dictionary of Egyptian Hieroglyphics.” Pointing to the capital letters at the commencement of each verse, he said: Them figures is Egyptian hieroglyphics; and them which follows, is the interpretation of the hieroglyphics, written in the reformed Egyptian. Them characters is like the letters that was engraved on the golden plates.” “

Warsaw Message Vol. I.
Warsaw, Illinois, November 15, 1843. No. 45.

THE MORMON PROPHET AND
THE GREEK PSALTER.

We lately heard a story, which while it may make us mourn over the depravity of Human Nature, serves to show, among many similar facts, the low artifices and cunning tricks, to which the Mormon Prophet will resort, in order to impose upon the gullibility of his followers. The story is in this wise; and can be substantiated by respectable witnesses.

Some time since, Professor Caswell, late of Kemper College, near St. Louis, an Episcopal Clergyman of reputation, being about to leave this country for England, paid a visit to Smith and the Saints, in order that he might be better able to represent the imposture to the British people. It so happened that the Professor had in his possession a Greek Psalter, of great age — one that had been in the family for several hundred years. This book, as a relic of antiquity, was a curiosity to any one — but to some of the Saints, who happened to see it, it was a marvel and wonder. Supposing its origin to have been as ancient, at least, as the Prophet’s Egyptian Mummy, and not knowing but the Professor had dug it from the bowels of the same sacred hill in Western New York whence sprung the holy Book of Mormon, they importuned him to allow ‘brother Joseph’ an opportunity of translating it!

The Professor reluctantly assented to the proposal; and accompanied by a number of the anxious brethren, repaired to the residence of the Prophet. The remarkable book was handed him. Joe took it — examined its old and worn leaves — and turned over its musty pages. Expectation was now upon tip-toe. The brethren looked at one another — at the book — then at the Prophet. It was a most interesting scene!

Presently the spirit of prophecy began to arise within him; and he opened his mouth and spoke. That wonderful power, which enables him to see as far through a mill-stone as could Moses or Elijah of old, had already in the twinkling of an eye, made those rough and uncouth characters as plain to him as the nose on the face of the Professor. ‘This Book,’ said he, ‘I pronounce to be a Dictionary of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics!’

The brethren present were greatly astonished at this exhibition of their Prophet’s power of revealing hidden things. After their exaltation had somewhat subsided, the Professor coolly told them that their Prophet was a base impostor! — and that the book before them was but a plain Greek Psalter! — Joe ’stepped out.’

Such is the manner in which this arrant knave imposes upon his followers! and such is the manner in which his knavery is sometimes exposed! Yet, strange that people continue to believe him!

Professor Caswell, since his sojourn in England, has published a work entitled ‘Three Days at Nauvoo,’ in which this rich scene is represented in an engraving.

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January 16, 2009

This week, we explore a portion of the lies being offered by the Lord’s true and only church in a lesson about Joseph Smith, the church founder.  I have quoted a good portion of the beginning of the lesson. Any teens out there who are being forced to go to church and want to cause some trouble in suday school… I’ll link to some sources here you can use to refute your teachers…

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